Monday, March 24, 2008

Why Would I Think About Stopping My Play in Razz?

I have played a couple of tourneys since the last post without any cashes. I did get into position in the 2K but ran into a little trouble when I need catch a card. But, I have the perfect understanding why I play razz.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5743656423: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (43622315), Table 3 - 30/60 Ante 5 - Limit Razz - 21:50:34 ET - 2008/03/22
Seat 1: RobertSchlacter (1,465)
Seat 2: iappraise (1,455)
Seat 3: pokerenthusiast (1,415)
Seat 4: minnieboner666 (1,545)
Seat 5: jford13 (1,305)
Seat 6: evilshim (1,500)
Seat 7: JudeSalem (1,815)
RobertSchlacter antes 5
iappraise antes 5
pokerenthusiast antes 5
minnieboner666 antes 5
jford13 antes 5
evilshim antes 5
JudeSalem antes 5
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to RobertSchlacter [Jh]
Dealt to iappraise [3c]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [3s Ah] [5h]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [Qs]
Dealt to jford13 [Qc]
Dealt to evilshim [Js]
Dealt to JudeSalem [Th]
minnieboner666 is high with [Qs]
minnieboner666 brings in for 10
jford13 folds
evilshim folds
JudeSalem folds
RobertSchlacter folds
iappraise folds
pokerenthusiast completes it to 30
minnieboner666 calls 20

Moron calls with a Queen(the Jordan)

*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [3s Ah 5h] [4d]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [Qs] [2h]
pokerenthusiast bets 30
minnieboner666 calls 30

Moron calls again.

*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [3s Ah 5h 4d] [7s]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [Qs 2h] [4c]
pokerenthusiast bets 60
minnieboner666 calls 60

WHeeeeeeeeeee…I’m sitting good.

*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [3s Ah 5h 4d 7s] [7c]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [Qs 2h 4c] [5c]
minnieboner666 bets 60
pokerenthusiast raises to 120
minnieboner666 raises to 180
pokerenthusiast calls 60

Moron catches his card.

*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [3s Ah 5h 4d 7s 7c] [Qh]
minnieboner666 bets 60
pokerenthusiast calls 60

I’m not folding to a moron. Does that make me a bigger moron?

*** SHOW DOWN ***
minnieboner666 shows [9h 6h Qs 2h 4c 5c Ad] 6,5,4,2,A
pokerenthusiast mucks
minnieboner666 wins the pot (755) with 6,5,4,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 755 | Rake 0
Seat 1: RobertSchlacter folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: iappraise folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: pokerenthusiast mucked [Qh 3s 5h 4d 7s 7c Ah] - 7,5,4,3,A
Seat 4: minnieboner666 showed [9h 6h Qs 2h 4c 5c Ad] and won (755) with 6,5,4,2,A
Seat 5: jford13 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: evilshim folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: JudeSalem folded on 3rd St.

At this point I’m steaming.

pokerenthusiast: such skills
pokerenthusiast: i think you have a mini bonner in you mouth


mini bonner is my new term for cocksucker.

Then I get this hand.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5743709505: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (43622315), Table 3 - 30/60 Ante 5 - Limit Razz - 21:54:50 ET - 2008/03/22
Seat 1: RobertSchlacter (1,565)
Seat 2: iappraise (1,355)
Seat 3: pokerenthusiast (1,015)
Seat 4: minnieboner666 (1,790)
Seat 5: jford13 (1,425)
Seat 6: evilshim (1,460)
Seat 7: JudeSalem (1,890)
RobertSchlacter antes 5
iappraise antes 5
pokerenthusiast antes 5
minnieboner666 antes 5
jford13 antes 5
evilshim antes 5
JudeSalem antes 5
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to RobertSchlacter [9h]
Dealt to iappraise [3d]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [Ad 3h] [4s]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [Js]
Dealt to jford13 [4d]
Dealt to evilshim [Td]
Dealt to JudeSalem [6s]
minnieboner666 is high with [Js]
minnieboner666 has 15 seconds left to act
minnieboner666 brings in for 10
jford13 folds
evilshim folds
JudeSalem folds
RobertSchlacter calls 10 – limps with a 9…Another moron.
iappraise folds
pokerenthusiast: i'm raising your jack
pokerenthusiast completes it to 30
minnieboner666 calls 20 – moron calls with a J this time.
RobertSchlacter calls 20
pokerenthusiast: :) Notice the smile
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to RobertSchlacter [9h] [5d]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [Ad 3h 4s] [6h]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [Js] [Qc]
pokerenthusiast bets 30
minnieboner666 folds
RobertSchlacter calls 30

I have to like my hand…These players don’t realize the strength of their hand is apparent.

*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to RobertSchlacter [9h 5d] [2d]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [Ad 3h 4s 6h] [8d]
pokerenthusiast bets 60
RobertSchlacter calls 60
pokerenthusiast: you can fold

I’m still steaming from the earlier hand and make a comment. I don’t actually want him to fold.

*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to RobertSchlacter [9h 5d 2d] [5s]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [Ad 3h 4s 6h 8d] [Ac]
pokerenthusiast bets 60
RobertSchlacter calls 60

At this point I have A468 showing and he calls with his 5592. Drawing monkeys lose in the long run.

*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [Ad 3h 4s 6h 8d Ac] [Kh]
pokerenthusiast: come suckout
pokerenthusiast bets 60
RobertSchlacter raises to 120
pokerenthusiast calls 60

I call the suckout.

*** SHOW DOWN ***
RobertSchlacter shows [6d 3c 9h 5d 2d 5s Ah] 6,5,3,2,A
pokerenthusiast mucks
RobertSchlacter wins the pot (665) with 6,5,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 665 | Rake 0
Seat 1: RobertSchlacter showed [6d 3c 9h 5d 2d 5s Ah] and won (665) with 6,5,3,2,A
Seat 2: iappraise folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: pokerenthusiast mucked [Kh 3h 4s 6h 8d Ac Ad] - 8,6,4,3,A
Seat 4: minnieboner666 folded on 4th St.
Seat 5: jford13 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: evilshim folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: JudeSalem folded on 3rd St.

And there it is. Notice that JudeSalem is at the table. I’m sure she loved to see these ass monkeys take a bite out of me. So, just to have some fun, I type this.

pokerenthusiast: you guys are worse then judesalem
JudeSalem: hahah
JudeSalem: yea and thats tough to do


Down to under 700 chips I need to catch some hands.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5743768913: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (43622315), Table 3 - 40/80 Ante 7 - Limit Razz - 21:59:38 ET - 2008/03/22
Seat 1: RobertSchlacter (2,179)
Seat 2: iappraise (1,265)
Seat 3: pokerenthusiast (665)
Seat 4: minnieboner666 (1,779)
Seat 5: jford13 (1,114)
Seat 6: evilshim (1,658)
Seat 7: JudeSalem (1,840)
RobertSchlacter antes 7
iappraise antes 7
pokerenthusiast antes 7
minnieboner666 antes 7
jford13 antes 7
evilshim antes 7
JudeSalem antes 7
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to RobertSchlacter [4d]
Dealt to iappraise [Ad]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [6s 9s] [4h]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [3h]
Dealt to jford13 [Ks]
Dealt to evilshim [2c]
Dealt to JudeSalem [Jc]
jford13 is high with [Ks]
jford13 brings in for 10
evilshim folds
JudeSalem folds
RobertSchlacter folds
iappraise folds
pokerenthusiast has 15 seconds left to act
pokerenthusiast completes it to 40 – I call with the 9 behind as a steal
minnieboner666 calls 40 – moron calls again…could have anything behind.
jford13 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [6s 9s 4h] [5c]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [3h] [8h]
pokerenthusiast bets 40
minnieboner666 calls 40

Representing to a guy who can’t fold is stupid.

*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [6s 9s 4h 5c] [3s]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [3h 8h] [9d]
pokerenthusiast bets 80
minnieboner666 calls 80

Now I am ahead and most people will fold the 89 here…but not this guy

*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [6s 9s 4h 5c 3s] [5h]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [3h 8h 9d] [8d]
pokerenthusiast bets 80
minnieboner666 calls 80

Now either he thinks I bricked or really thinks he can beat me with an 8…which he can…Most people would have been gone.

*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [6s 9s 4h 5c 3s 5h] [4s]
pokerenthusiast bets 80
pokerenthusiast: chase me
minnieboner666 calls 80

I try to warn him but he calls anyway.

*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerenthusiast shows [9s 6s 4h 5c 3s 5h 4s] 9,6,5,4,3
minnieboner666 mucks
pokerenthusiast wins the pot (699) with 9,6,5,4,3
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 699 | Rake 0
Seat 1: RobertSchlacter folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: iappraise folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: pokerenthusiast showed [9s 6s 4h 5c 3s 5h 4s] and won (699) with 9,6,5,4,3
Seat 4: minnieboner666 mucked [Jd 7d 3h 8h 9d 8d Ah] - 9,8,7,3,A
Seat 5: jford13 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: evilshim folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: JudeSalem folded on 3rd St.

I get back to around starting stack with this hand.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5743801542: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (43622315), Table 3 - 40/80 Ante 7 - Limit Razz - 22:02:20 ET - 2008/03/22
Seat 1: RobertSchlacter (2,389)
Seat 2: iappraise (1,296)
Seat 3: pokerenthusiast (976)
Seat 4: minnieboner666 (1,431)
Seat 5: jford13 (1,036)
Seat 6: evilshim (1,620)
Seat 7: JudeSalem (1,752)
RobertSchlacter antes 7
iappraise antes 7
pokerenthusiast antes 7
minnieboner666 antes 7
jford13 antes 7
evilshim antes 7
JudeSalem antes 7
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to RobertSchlacter [5s]
Dealt to iappraise [5d]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [5c 4h] [7d]
Dealt to minnieboner666 [Qd]
Dealt to jford13 [6d]
Dealt to evilshim [Ac]
Dealt to JudeSalem [7s]
minnieboner666 is high with [Qd]
minnieboner666 brings in for 10
jford13 folds
evilshim completes it to 40
JudeSalem folds
RobertSchlacter folds
iappraise has 15 seconds left to act
iappraise folds
pokerenthusiast calls 40
minnieboner666 folds

Any three 7 and under.

*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [5c 4h 7d] [6h]
Dealt to evilshim [Ac] [Ks]
pokerenthusiast bets 40
evilshim calls 40

More chasers. It doesn’t cost him much to make this call.

*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [5c 4h 7d 6h] [2d]
Dealt to evilshim [Ac Ks] [8d]
pokerenthusiast bets 80
evilshim calls 80

Now this is where I love razz. Two cards ahead with two to go and he calls.

*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [5c 4h 7d 6h 2d] [9s]
Dealt to evilshim [Ac Ks 8d] [Kd]
pokerenthusiast bets 80
evilshim calls 80

Now he bricks bad and donates…this may be the worse play of the night.

*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [5c 4h 7d 6h 2d 9s] [Jc]
pokerenthusiast bets 80
evilshim folds
Uncalled bet of 80 returned to pokerenthusiast
pokerenthusiast mucks
pokerenthusiast wins the pot (539)

The folds after giving me 200 chips.

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 539 | Rake 0
Seat 1: RobertSchlacter folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: iappraise folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: pokerenthusiast collected (539), mucked
Seat 4: minnieboner666 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: jford13 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: evilshim folded on 7th St.
Seat 7: JudeSalem folded on 3rd St.


With play like this it would be silly of my to stop playing this game.

5 comments:

jusdealem said...

And there it is. Notice that JudeSalem is at the table. I’m sure she loved to see these ass monkeys take a bite out of me.

What?? I was pulling for you every hand, you big dummy!

I couldn't believe the idiots at that table, but yes, that is why we keep playing.

TheRazzDoctor said...

Those were definitely some rough beats, and I know how frustrating it can be when your opponents are constantly making mistakes and then sucking out on you. Still, instead of berating them you could concentrate on minimizing your own mistakes to limit the damage. These guys are chasing to win not only the pot (which may be sizable) but also bets on future streets in the form of implied odds. When you go ahead and bet into them or raise them once they've hit their hand, you've turned them into much better players.

robert said...

I'm not much for razz tourney's, but I love the cash game. As far as that first hand goes, I'm playing it the exact same way as the moron.

You were last to act on third street with a good door and nobody else in the pot, I'm completing there with any three cards every time. I would suspect moron realized that as well (although I agree, later play validates his standing as a moron). There is a decent chance he's actually ahead, and he's coming in for a discount, as he's already posted the bring in.

From 4th on the hand is pretty straight forward. Can't justify a fold at any point from either hand. Regardless, I'm with Jordan.

The rest of the hands are bad, if not downright awful. Cash games are the same way, it can be frustrating, but your right, how can you walk away when the play is so bad.

Great blog, hope to see you at the tables (bertgwen).

robert

Mitchell said...

Yes--it's frustrating.

On the first hand, he is getting implied odds, and not the worst play--but why not wait for a better hand in the tourney.

Later on, not sure why you'd raise on 6th..you've got to figure the moron can beat a 7 low...and to represent a wheel makes no sense, since he's going to be calling you down...even if he also has a 7 low.

You never said where you finished in the event?

Good luck.

TheRazzDoctor said...

In the first hand, PE couldn't have a wheel on 6th st since he was showing 5477.