Thursday, January 3, 2008

A Couple of Hands For Review (PE)

I have two hands that I would like some input on. The both come fromareas of my game that I think I can improve so a little feedback would be nice. This is from the dailt $5 Razz tourney on Full Tilt.


Seat 1: the flop canada (10,080)
Seat 8: pokerenthusiast (5,809)
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to the flop canada [Kc]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [7c 6d] [5h]
the flop canada is high with [Kc]
the flop canada brings in for 50
pokerenthusiast completes it to 150
the flop canada has 15 seconds left to act
the flop canada calls 100
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to the flop canada [Kc] [6h]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [7c 6d 5h] [Qh]
pokerenthusiast has 15 seconds left to act
pokerenthusiast bets 150
the flop canada raises to 300
pokerenthusiast calls 150

What is the correct move here. I am ahead but with his call I put him on A2 or A3 behind. I have to bet here to punish his call with a K but should I have re-raised him back. I think I need to control the pot size with an unmade hand.

*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to the flop canada [Kc 6h] [Js]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [7c 6d 5h Qh] [8h]
pokerenthusiast bets 300
the flop canada calls 300

Now I know I have to bet here. I am ahead and almost by two cards. That jack is very ugly for him considering I have 4 cards under with two to go.

*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to the flop canada [Kc 6h Js] [2s]
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [7c 6d 5h Qh 8h] [9d]
pokerenthusiast has 15 seconds left to act
pokerenthusiast bets 300
the flop canada calls 300

Here I am ahead but vulnerable. He has to have 4 cards to a 6 to call here and with the texture of my hand he will win with any card 8 or lower on 7th street. Should I check call or make him pay for the next card. Being that I'm ahead I think I need to make him pay.
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [7c 6d 5h Qh 8h 9d] [Kh]
pokerenthusiast bets 300
the flop canada raises to 600
pokerenthusiast calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
the flop canada shows [4s 3h Kc 6h Js 2s Ah] 6,4,3,2,A
pokerenthusiast mucks
the flop canada wins the pot (3,500) with 6,4,3,2,A

He catches the card he needs. Do I need to slow down with this type of hand or is it correct to play it this way?


Now there is this hand.


Seat 4: pokerenthusiast (7,115)
Seat 5: Sharks Fan 18 (3,483)
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [4c 8h] [2c]
Dealt to Sharks Fan 18 [As]
scottyrob1 brings in for 200
pokerenthusiast completes it to 600
Sharks Fan 18 raises to 1,200
scottyrob1 folds
pokerenthusiast calls 600
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [4c 8h 2c] [4h]
Dealt to Sharks Fan 18 [As] [3s]
Sharks Fan 18 bets 600
pokerenthusiast calls 600

Should I have folded here? His reraise preflop can mean that he bricked also but it also means my 8 sucks.

*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [4c 8h 2c 4h] [3c]
Dealt to Sharks Fan 18 [As 3s] [Js]
pokerenthusiast bets 1,200
Sharks Fan 18 raises to 1,583, and is all in
pokerenthusiast calls 383
Sharks Fan 18 shows [2h 6d As 3s Js]
pokerenthusiast shows [4c 8h 2c 4h 3c]

I have to bet call here with a better draw. What do you think?
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [4c 8h 2c 4h 3c] [Jc]
Dealt to Sharks Fan 18 [2h 6d As 3s Js] [8c]
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [4c 8h 2c 4h 3c Jc] [2d]
Dealt to Sharks Fan 18 [2h 6d As 3s Js 8c] [9c]
Sharks Fan 18 shows [2h 6d As 3s Js 8c 9c] 8,6,3,2,A
pokerenthusiast shows [4c 8h 2c 4h 3c Jc 2d] J,8,4,3,2
Sharks Fan 18 wins the pot (7,666) with 8,6,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,666 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Sual1 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: scottyrob1 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: Teenslander folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: pokerenthusiast showed [4c 8h 2c 4h 3c Jc 2d] and lost with J,8,4,3,2
Seat 5: Sharks Fan 18 showed [2h 6d As 3s Js 8c 9c] and won (7,666) with 8,6,3,2,A
Seat 6: TattooStars2 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: JUDYBUG3 folded on 3rd St.

As it turns out I had a much better dar but didn't hit. Did I play this right vs. a shorter stack? I knew I wouldn't bust so I think I did but maybe the call on 4th street was wrong.

4 comments:

kurokitty said...

The only thing I can see is it is prolly right to 3-bet on fourth street in the first example. Otherwise, nothing really you can do in these hands.

SirFWALGMan said...

I think in the first hand you did fine but where you know your vulnerable I usually give up the last bet and check-call. I am not positive this is the right thing to do. Such a marginal hand. I do not think betting is necessarily bad here though because if he hits a 9 he may call you.. So do you win a bet more often or lose one?

The second hand I think you would be right to fold on 4th street.

jusdealem said...

Interesting hands, Pe. I'll offer my thoughts on the second one.

Seat 4: pokerenthusiast (7,115)
Seat 5: Sharks Fan 18 (3,483)
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [4c 8h] [2c]
Dealt to Sharks Fan 18 [As]
scottyrob1 brings in for 200
pokerenthusiast completes it to 600
Sharks Fan 18 raises to 1,200 <---To me, if he is going to raise you here, he is saying that his Ace is strong and he is going to take this hand all the way.
scottyrob1 folds
pokerenthusiast calls 600 <---This wouldn't be an instacall from me here. If I were holding 4 6 (2), yes most definetly, but drawing to an 8 low with a shortie who has already made it clear that he's going to war with his hand, well I would most likly fold here. Too conservative? Maybe, but my reason being, giving up 600 chips + antes, however much they are, is better than hitting my 8 and still losing to double him up. I think I'd like to wait for a better spot to get that many chips in.
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to pokerenthusiast [4c 8h 2c] [4h] <---Yuk
Dealt to Sharks Fan 18 [As] [3s]
Sharks Fan 18 bets 600
pokerenthusiast calls 600 <---Supposing that I had called the 600 earlier, I would surely fold here. He has to have me beat, and my chances of drawing out aint lookin to good...

OhCaptain said...

I agree about easing up in the first hand on 4th st. I'd assume that him calling the complete means he's willing to gamble with one brick and doesn't think you are drawing to the nuts.

Check calling 4th st will save you a bet. Yeah, you're ahead, but he might also be drawing to a 6 low here...so he's already drawing to a better low.

I like to maintain tight pot control if I'm pretty sure the opponent is on a better draw than me.

Even with the brick for my opponent on 5th st, I was really consider the past play from this player. Two cards to come. If I brick on 6th st and he doesn't, what am I willing to do now?

At 6th st, we are locked into an 8 low, while our opponent could still be drawing to a 6 low. Experience with the other player would help me to decide if the other player is going to hit the gas and what I should do.

If I'm pretty sure they only have 2 bricks, I might still be uneasy about putting to much into the pot. My made hand is a 9 low...so I'm still not convinced this hand is the winner.

I don't like going broke with a 9 low when I know the other guy might be drawing to a much lower hand.