Razz Can Be So Frustrating...

Especially, when you're trying to find 'your game'. As a new player, I'm still trying to get a feel for how to play certain hands when and from where. Do not ask me about odds; I have absolutely no clue yet. I have noticed that playing position on 3rd street is just as important, maybe even moreso, as playing position in NLH. Also, the ability to quickly get away from good starting hands when they don't improve is key. Stubborness is not often rewarded. I'll share a hand demonstrating that point from a SNG I played in today.

I played the nightly $5.50 MTT last night also. Playing too loose in the beginning was wrong and so was playing too tight in the middle. Stupid. Finished 17/68. pOOp [tm]

Ok, on to the stubborn hand.....

Full Tilt Poker Game #4797512127: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (36397905), Table 1 - 40/80 Ante 7 - Limit Razz - 15:22:58 ET - 2008/01/09
Seat 1: flash2648 (1,165)
Seat 2: TheMonarch (1,165)
Seat 3: jnj9906 (1,555)
Seat 4: itsTugi (2,125)
Seat 5: JudeSalem (1,265)
Seat 6: Francesca_P (1,495)
Seat 7: deadmoney55 (1,465)
Seat 8: veggiemom (1,765)
flash2648 antes 7
TheMonarch antes 7
jnj9906 antes 7
itsTugi antes 7
JudeSalem antes 7
Francesca_P antes 7
deadmoney55 antes 7
veggiemom antes 7
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to flash2648 [5s]
Dealt to TheMonarch [6h]
Dealt to jnj9906 [4s]
Dealt to itsTugi [7s]
Dealt to JudeSalem [2c As] [8d] <---I was just telling PE how my razz motto is "8 is not great" and here we go....
Dealt to Francesca_P [2d]
Dealt to deadmoney55 [Qc]
Dealt to veggiemom [7d]
deadmoney55 is high with [Qc]
deadmoney55 brings in for 10
veggiemom calls 10
flash2648 folds
TheMonarch folds
jnj9906 completes it to 40
itsTugi folds
JudeSalem calls 40 <---Because of the A2, I called here. This is a very loose call IMO, he has to be drawing to better than an 8, right?
Francesca_P calls 40
deadmoney55 folds
veggiemom calls 30
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to jnj9906 [4s] [Ah] <---Did he just pair his A? I am hoping so.
Dealt to JudeSalem [2c As 8d] [5c] <---This card is good enough to keep me in.
Dealt to Francesca_P [2d] [9c]
Dealt to veggiemom [7d] [9s]
jnj9906 bets 40
JudeSalem calls 40
Francesca_P folds
veggiemom folds
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to jnj9906 [4s Ah] [Jd] <---Ha! Take that!
Dealt to JudeSalem [2c As 8d 5c] [7c] <---I have made my 8, but am I ahead?? Odds??
JudeSalem bets 80
jnj9906 raises to 160 <---Dude says, he aint scared...
JudeSalem calls 80
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to jnj9906 [4s Ah Jd] [3d] <---Oh, boy. His previous raise says that no, he did not pair his Ace earlier as I had hoped and now he has probably made his hand, which again from his raise I know is better than my stinkin' 8.
Dealt to JudeSalem [2c As 8d 5c 7c] [Jc] <---The best I can hope for is a 7 low on 7th street, which would probably still not be good enough here. What a donk.
jnj9906 bets 80
JudeSalem calls 80 <---Stubborness got me in this hand and stubborness kept me in this hand.
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to JudeSalem [2c As 8d 5c 7c Jc] [7h]
jnj9906 bets 80
JudeSalem calls 80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jnj9906 shows [6s 3h 4s Ah Jd 3d 2s] 6,4,3,2,A <---nh, sir :(
JudeSalem mucks
jnj9906 wins the pot (946) with 6,4,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 946 Rake 0
Seat 1: flash2648 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: TheMonarch folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: jnj9906 showed [6s 3h 4s Ah Jd 3d 2s] and won (946) with 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 4: itsTugi folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: JudeSalem mucked [7h 2c 8d 5c 7c Jc As] - 8,7,5,2,A
Seat 6: Francesca_P folded on 4th St.
Seat 7: deadmoney55 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: veggiemom folded on 4th St.

Learn from me and say it with me, altogether now....8 is not great!!! :)